Parents ‘can take their kids on holiday’ in term time after dad wins landmark court battle

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A dad who was prosecuted for taking his daughter on holiday during term time has won a landmark legal battle.

Jon Platt, 44, took his seven-year-old daughter to Disney World in Florida after her school refused permission for the eight-day trip.

When he insisted he would not pay a £120 fine he was ordered to attend court.

His lawyer argued that the law only required parents to ensure their children attend school “regularly” and does not restrict them from taking term time holidays.

Magistrates decided Mr Platt had no case to answer shortly before he was due to face trial.

GettyDisneyland resort in Southern CaliforniaDream holiday: Jon took his daughter to DisneyWorld, despite not having permission from her school
The decision could have implications for thousands of parents who take their children out of school during term time.

Mr Platt said: “I’ve had lots of messages from people, asking me ‘what is the loophole here?’

“But there is no loophole, the law just says your children must attend regularly.




“I had to prove nothing – they just had to prove my child’s attendance was not regular.

“Her attendance for the whole of the last school year was nearly 94%. I don’t know where the threshold is but quite frankly parents need to decide for themselves.”

Hundreds of other parents have since slammed the lack of ‘compassion’ in schools, having been issued fines for such reasons as taking their children to visit dying relatives.

Disneyland resort in Southern California

Dream holiday: Jon took his daughter to DisneyWorld, despite not having permission from her school

Divorcee Mr Platt, of Nettlestone, Isle of Wight, took his two daughters, aged seven and 10, to Florida.

He was only prosecuted on his younger daughter – whose identity Mr Platt is protecting – because she is not privately educated .

Michael GoveScheme scrapped: The then Education Michael Gove said parents should only take their children out of school in “exceptional circumstances”
She missed six days of school during the holiday with 17 members of his family in April this year.

Mr Platt, whose family business tackles banks over unfair charges, was prosecuted and fined £60, which doubled to £120 when he failed to pay.

He was then ordered to appear before Isle of Wight magistrates court earlier this week.

Parliament will this month debate a petition signed by more than 100,000 people arguing for an allowance of up to two weeks’ term-time leave from school for holidays.

In 2013 the then Education Secretary Michael Gove scrapped a scheme which allowed schools to give pupils up to 10 extra holiday days each year.

His new guidelines stated that children should only be taken out of school during term time in “exceptional circumstances”.


302 Comments

  1. Malcolm Stuart Osborne.

    March 10, 2016 at 9:53 am

    Teachers are there to teach children. Not to dictate to parents, with regard to children’s school attendance.

    • MrsN

      March 10, 2016 at 11:29 pm

      I am a teacher and a parent. Would parents be as compassionate about a two week term time holiday that I take with my child; should my governing body approve it? I can prove my attendance and my child’s is regular! Lol.

      • Raffaella

        March 16, 2016 at 5:29 pm

        Teachers have their terms and condition on their contract as per any other jobs and they have their own pre-rata holidays entitlement. What is discussed here is the right for families to have holidays together, not the teachers contract.

        • Khurram

          April 19, 2016 at 11:58 pm

          Ah but actually a teaching contract states that if their partner is unable to take holidays in school holiday time then they can be granted leave for a family holiday. I presume as it states it is allowed in their contract that you would not disapprove of such an action?

          • Vanessa

            April 23, 2016 at 1:52 am

            thats laughable, does family denote children that are still in education belaow the age of 16? if so they are giving you permission in your contract to do what other parents can’t without the threat of being fined?

        • bev edwards

          April 20, 2016 at 8:12 am

          no they wouldn’t because teaching is ur chosen profession and as such has set holidays within your contract it’s not about rulesand regulations it’s about our rights of parental control in 20 years of schooling my 4 kids I think iv taken them out maybe 2 or 3 times but sometimes it’s impossible to arrange a whole family holiday outside term time in October I will be taking my youngest daughter and my granddaughter out for 2 weeks in order for us all to go to florida as a WHOLE family and it’s the only time we could all arrange time off work and nothing or nobody is going to tell me I can’t!

          • Shaun

            April 22, 2016 at 8:16 am

            I guess from your lack of punctuation, you were taken out of school on a regular basis.

        • m j

          April 22, 2016 at 7:14 pm

          Where are the children whilst the teachers on on these holidays? In the office?

          Eurodisney is not a human right.

      • Elizabeth

        April 17, 2016 at 11:58 am

        Teachers have a choice of 13 weeks of the year to pick and choose when they go away, most employers only give 4 and sometimes you’re only allowed to take 1wk at summer as that’s when everyone wants time off. Being able to go away at another point during the year means that people dont always have to take holiday in the school holidays.

        • Deborah

          April 22, 2016 at 8:41 am

          I agree totally we both work for royal mail and get allocated holidays we were not given two weeks in the six weeks holiday. Instead we got September I will be taking my kids out of school because of it.our firm employs 300 and we all want the six weeks holiday off and we all go in to a hat and it’s pulled out fairly. No one would swap our holidays at work so I’m taking them out of school and will not pay a fine my kids attend school regularly and both are over 95%.

        • AJ

          April 24, 2016 at 9:42 am

          Pick and choose? We are subjected to the sky high prices like all parents and if you are not a teacher but work in a school like me (God Forbid) you are on Pro-Rata and do not get paid for your holidays ANYWAY so you have no choice when to take leave AND have to pay stupid money to go away! Nice

      • Simon Cotterill

        April 18, 2016 at 5:19 pm

        We already have no say about the number of days that our children have to remain at home for training days. The childrens education is not affected by this.

      • Amanda

        April 19, 2016 at 6:23 pm

        You selected your career, you knew the territory with becoming a teacher, meaning you holiday in the school holidays. Teachers have Christmas, easter, may, summer, and October holidays off which is far more than any normal full time worker. With all this , then yes I would expect you to work in the school terms.

        • m j

          April 22, 2016 at 7:15 pm

          So do the children.

          DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

        • George

          April 22, 2016 at 8:56 pm

          You chose to have children and school holidays could hardly have come as a surprise.

        • Barbara Webber

          April 23, 2016 at 9:42 am

          So I agree teachers should work in the school terms despite the fact that holidays for their families are going to be very expensive. That’s why all through my teaching career we could never afford the fancy holidays other families got. And yes I agree there should be some common sense discretion. But are for educating children and can’t just be run to suit parents wanting to go on holiday whenever they want. Rights and responsibilities work both ways.

      • G Richardson

        April 19, 2016 at 10:05 pm

        We all choose our professions so when you choose to become a teacher you are well aware that you are not allowed holidays in term time. I have chosen to become a nurse and therefore am well aware that I work weekends and bank holidays which includes Christmas Day. This argument is not about when teachers can take holidays but the right for parents to be allowed to take their children on family holidays as and when they choose.

        • Joanne

          April 21, 2016 at 3:20 pm

          This is the point I was going to make lol,,its also a fact that some people can’t afford expensive holidays that seem to boom in price during school Holliday’s so for that reason they book holidays during term time wen the same holiday is now half price…I’ve been in this situation myself..they chose to slam teacher training days on us so why shudnt we chose wen we go on holiday

        • m j

          April 22, 2016 at 7:17 pm

          Yet nurses still whine about hours and pay and go on strike. We can all agree that that kind of nurse is vermin, can’t we?

      • Lisa

        April 19, 2016 at 10:25 pm

        But you chose to be a teacher. You get 13 weeks paid holiday a year which is 9 weeks more than most working parents have. You are there to provide free childcare all through the holidays which probably puts you in a better financial situation than most.
        I agree, if a child is always away from school, that it is irresponsible to take them away during term time. But if they attend regularly all year then what is the harm in a week off with family for a holiday? 20 years ago when I was at school we always went away in September. It wasn’t a problem. I just caught up when I got back.
        To be fair, my 12 year old couldn’t even tell you what she was taught last week at school. No child is going to have their education ruined by going to Spain for a week during term time…..

      • Vanessa

        April 20, 2016 at 11:29 am

        If your partner had a job that made it impossible for you to take a family holiday during term time, I would not have a problem with teachers taking a week off. The children in the classroom would have a teacher covering the lessons. Everybody is entitled to a family break. Teachers included.

      • Gemma

        April 20, 2016 at 11:43 am

        I’d have no problem at all you are as entitled to a more affordable family holiday as the next person! 😊

      • Simon

        April 21, 2016 at 6:17 am

        No, try to fit it in with your own 14 week holidays!!!!

      • Amanda Paddock

        April 21, 2016 at 10:05 am

        No but you can take teacher training days when you want instead of tagging them onto a school holiday. Also after being a teacher and Aldo parent of ; I am fully aware of implications however the week before school holidays is usually a non academic week in primary and some secondary therefore what harm does it do to take a child out when they are not being educated but watching DVDs playing games or being giving free choice !! There should be a happy balance and work together.

      • joanne buxton

        April 21, 2016 at 10:57 am

        The issue is with your child not you as a teacher. When you sign up to become a teacher you are agreeing to the terms and conditions of your contract! This has nothing to do with your child or taking them away during term time. Two totally different issues that don’t overlap. As a teacher you already have similar, if not the same, holidays as your child unlike many other people who are told when they can take their holidays. Nurses, industry workers etc!

      • Andrew

        April 21, 2016 at 2:24 pm

        A facile comment if ever I read one!
        You CHOSE to be a teacher, and enjoy the benefits of more holidays a year than any other workers I know AND you get your holidays during school holiday time, obviously
        Of course you could go and stack shelves at Tesco on minimum wage….
        In addition, I’d like to know where you stand on teachers strike days when parents struggle to get care for their children.

        • m j

          April 22, 2016 at 7:17 pm

          Pity that you have neither the brains nor the spine to get such a cushy job, eh?

      • Tiethe knott

        April 21, 2016 at 5:08 pm

        Mother of a teacher and parent, would be a joy if my dayghter could come on holiday with us as a family so yes i think it should apply to teachers too. Remember no one is irreplaceable!

      • john

        April 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

        Perhapsnot, but Teacher training days and strike days should be taken into account.

      • Jason

        April 22, 2016 at 2:15 am

        Probably wouldn’t bother, just get a supply teacher for a fortnight. It’s only a fortnight and why shouldn’t you take advantage of cheaper holidays during term time. It’s just your bosses that would have an issue I think haha

      • A Executive

        April 22, 2016 at 8:15 am

        Yes why not…..both my daughters already get disrupted by teacher training days etc and hslf a day a week the teacer isn’t there for prep work…an extra 2 weeks with a supply teacher wouldn’t hurt i’m sure.

        The sad thing is my youngest daughters enjoys the supply teacher more than the normal one.

        So be careful whst you wish for……

        • m j

          April 22, 2016 at 7:19 pm

          But the supply teacher is only prepared to work with your brat part-time!

        • George

          April 22, 2016 at 8:58 pm

          I’m sure they do prefer supply teachers. They can mess about and not do any work.

      • Vicky

        April 22, 2016 at 12:17 pm

        Yes, you are also entitled to a life and the head of the school will need to arrange cover for your absence like any other job role. Have what you are entitled to we only live once and our children need quality time with their parents.

      • Geoff

        April 22, 2016 at 7:18 pm

        Most parents don’t earn as much as a teacher!!!!!! So cant afford to take holidays in July and August. On top of lower pay they also have to surrender a larger proportion of their pay to provide a pension that’s no where near as good as your guilt edged civil servant offering!!!!!!!

        Whilst we’re at it maybe parents should fine the teachers when they go on strike!!!!! Hypocritical arsehole. Go to school and never leave school. Never have to live in the real world!!!

      • joyce burns

        April 22, 2016 at 11:42 pm

        lol.you and your child get the same holidays ,and yours is all with pay ,most familys get 2 weeks at summer ,there children have to be left with relatives for the remainig 4 weeks ,

      • vinnie

        April 23, 2016 at 8:15 am

        I’m sure they would. I work at a school and it is not always possible or affordable, to take kids on expensive holidays during school term. Some of the teachers take long service leave during school term as it is when their partners, who don’t work in a school can take holidays. The parents at our school are fine with it. Not every employer will allow employees to have time off during school holidays. School holidays were out when I worked for a private company. Especially at Christmas time.

      • Eileen

        April 24, 2016 at 10:08 am

        Hi ! That’s a different issue. Teachers are Contractually obliged to teach 30 children in term time. That’s your Contract of Employment which you agreed before you took the post. (Your Unions could try & negotiate for sabbaticals if wanted. ) A parent is choosing whether to take their child on a holiday which could have a huge educational value. I was taken out of school by my Travel Agent of a mother & learned so much about different weather systems, culture & history, especially the trip to Rome. It’s an experience as well as education as well as fun. Socially, children spending time with 17 family members & forming that bond as this father chose to do was admirable. Family roots & family ties are so important in society.

    • ClickbaitHater

      March 11, 2016 at 1:12 am

      Did you even read the article? There is no mention of teachers in it because they are not the ones “dictating to parents” regarding attendance.

      The final two paragraphs of the article explain how it was the former education secretary who caused the changes which created the problem.

      • Mathew

        April 22, 2016 at 10:49 am

        People got their replies above in over someone stating that they were a Teacher with a child, and would people understand if they decided to take time out in term time for their own family trips – then it got into the “Teachers have contracts?” arguments and so on

        I take it YOU did not read the above replies – those above definitely read some of the article 😉

    • Danielle

      March 11, 2016 at 9:31 am

      Teachers aren’t the ones that make the rules. I’m pretty sure they would like to holiday during cheaper times too!

      • Kim Howard

        March 16, 2016 at 8:11 pm

        I totally agree. As a TA in school we have to the full pricesas well and our pay isn’t that great. It is Michael Gove to blame though he changed the guidelines and also all parents can’t always get time off in school holidays as the demands for time off is also high.

        • J

          April 20, 2016 at 7:51 pm

          You choose to work in a school!!!

    • jan

      March 11, 2016 at 10:55 am

      Agree….if only parents acted responsibly….sadly not all do…hence need for legislation

    • adrian fraser

      March 11, 2016 at 11:03 am

      its not the teachers though is it , LEA`S and the government are making the rules up as they go along. I take my kids outta school for Karate tourniments all over the world all you gotta do is attend regularly.

    • Sheenag

      March 11, 2016 at 12:51 pm

      It is not the Teachers who make these rules and I feel that by making them scapegoats it makes their already impossible job even harder. Teachers have children too and they cannot take time off during term time to take them on holiday!

      • father

        April 21, 2016 at 11:02 am

        It is a bit different, for example I work in a supermarket and we have to work over Christmas and are not allowed to holiday in April, company policy! Teachers chose their job and whatever rules come with that, only holidaying when allowed when the prices go up is bullshit, seems the government and airline prices go hand in hand.

        • m j

          April 22, 2016 at 7:22 pm

          You chose to work in a supermarket – though your career options were presumably limited by your academic failure.

          Maybe you aren’t best placed to give anybody advice on anything more than stacking shelves?

      • Stephen pollitt

        April 21, 2016 at 11:59 am

        I agree,, but teachers do get more than 25 days holiday

        • m j

          April 22, 2016 at 7:23 pm

          Pity that you have neither the brains nor the spine to get such a cushy job, eh?

    • Aniela bowman

      March 11, 2016 at 4:06 pm

      Teachers don’t dictate it. The law does. And it’s the head who makes the decisions. Unfortunately, schools themselves lose funding and are scrutinised by OFSTED regarding attendance. The attainment targets for students are ridiculously high and 2 weeks off is a long time Depending on the child’s age and whether it’s at a key point like exams.

      Having said that, I’m a parent and I think that common sense should be practised and each case dealt with individually. As a teacher. I would love nothing more than to be left alone by all of these pen pushing bigwigs and allowed to teach. Unfortunately, schools are increasingly being run more like profit turning, exam factories.

      In summary.

      You’re trying to ‘shoot the messenger’.

    • L Thompson

      March 11, 2016 at 4:12 pm

      Are you an idiot!? What makes you think it is the teachers that are saying no!? Yet another ignorant fool blaming teachers for something completely out of their hands. We (teachers) do not ‘dictate’ when you can and can’t bring your child to school. This is something Gove dictated to schools. I do not come into your workplace and call you out for ‘dictating’ to me about your policies! I too think it is incredibly sad that many parents can no longer afford to take their children on holiday because of the hugely inflated prices the holiday companies charge (you know, the prices we ‘teachers’ have to pay if we want to go away). I absolutely think this needs a rethink from the government. Will we get it? Probably not if the Conservatives have anything to do with it. Surely the fact that teachers are leaving education in droves tells you that we don’t agree with what the silly tw*ts at Whitehall decide!

      • jackie

        April 22, 2016 at 5:20 pm

        I think you’ll find most of the replies were in response to a teacher’s sarcastic comment about the article aimed at parents. The comments were aimed at her, and considering her position I think you’ve found your idiot

    • Ben

      March 11, 2016 at 4:18 pm

      And how are teachers supposed to teach a whole class simultaneously, when some children have missed certain pre requisite topics because of holidays?

      • James

        April 19, 2016 at 9:19 pm

        Ben… What happened to the parents who take an active interest in what their children are learning. Doesn’t take much to ask their teachers what material they should be reading whilst away.

      • Bengo

        April 20, 2016 at 7:26 am

        Oh dear, life happens! So not everything fits in with rules, regulations and timetables. Get a life!

      • father

        April 21, 2016 at 11:05 am

        Homework and every sudject you can learn can be found on the Internet and learned at home. I personally find out what is being taught in school and sit down with my son and teach him things in advance to ensure he knows the answers and does well in school.

        • jean weytr

          April 22, 2016 at 6:01 pm

          But clearly not spelling.

    • Emma

      March 11, 2016 at 5:04 pm

      It’s not teachers who are deciding to fine, schools have very little choice in the matter. Vent your anger at the rule makers not those forced to carry them out.

    • Nigel White

      March 11, 2016 at 5:14 pm

      Teachers are responsible for their pupils, in all matters, during school hours! If a child does not attend and they have not been informed, it is the schools legal duty to find out where the child is and to keep a record of attendance!

      • Tc

        March 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm

        A school, not individual teachers responsibility. … think you have that confused.

    • K Hector

      March 11, 2016 at 5:17 pm

      Malcolm Stuart Osborne, I think you will find that it is actually nothing to do with the teachers! The teachers are not involved in dealing with episodes of absence, this is left to the Education Welfare Officers (EWO). I am a teacher and fully believe that the previous standard of up to 10 days authorised leave as long as students are at 95% or above was very fair and that under the current ruling, a proportion of schools use the ability to fine to their own advantage.

      • mss caleena homes

        April 17, 2016 at 8:29 pm

        then if its nothing to do with the teachers,why do teachers let their mouths run off when kids go on holidays in school time…also teacher training days are a joke…i have delivered food and drink to these so called training days….its a piss up and bite to eat while kids are not in school”’when you strike/have training days/or close a school for some other reason we should impose a fine on that school too,,can work both ways see

        • Jo Hutchinson

          April 22, 2016 at 10:47 pm

          Teachers don’t ‘let their mouths run off’!! There is something called a register. A legal document, which teachers need to fill in incase you wern’t aware. This then goes to the governers, the head, and various other people who decide what to do about absense. Not the class teacher! It has been many years since teachers themselves have had any say in what actually happens in their classroom! Regarding taking kids out on holiday during term time, we ALL need to be pushing the government to ensure holiday companies can’t push the price up by such a rediculous amount during holidays. That would be a win win situation for parents and teachers alike!

        • Jo Hutchinson

          April 22, 2016 at 10:51 pm

          Oh and exactly how long do you stay at these schools when you deliver food and drink? Half an hours? 3/4 hour? 1 hour? I’m betting no lonfer than an hour. In which case surely you can’t begrudge staff an hour’s lunch break? Afterall it’s about the only time staff at a school get a full hour lynch break (and infact on TRAINING days we still only usually get 45 minutes!)

    • AQ

      March 11, 2016 at 6:59 pm

      Teachers don’t, the Minister for Education does. However, teachers can’t teach if the pupils are on holiday during term time. Touché 😊

    • AQ

      March 11, 2016 at 6:59 pm

      Teachers don’t, the Minister for Education does. However, teachers can’t teach if the pupils are on holiday during term time. Touché 😊

    • K Sellers

      March 11, 2016 at 7:45 pm

      With respect Malcolm Osborne, teachers had and have no say in the decision to fine parents.Schools merely enforce what has been directed by the government.

    • Duane

      March 11, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      it’s not the teachers who, as you say, dictate to parents. it will be members of the pastoral team, who also do not dictate to parents, they just try to enforce a ruling that the Govt put in place.
      Why do people in this country feel they can just break a rule whenever they please? Great example to their kids…..not!

    • Clair

      March 11, 2016 at 8:54 pm

      Teachers don’t make that decision! Teacher’s dictate nothing to parents. Teacher’s teach the children. The government makes the decision! The government dictates.

    • June Jones

      March 11, 2016 at 11:01 pm

      Its not the teachers fault . The Government have a perverse view of what education means. For them- education is narrowly tied to and based on the needs of business, not on the needs of children.

    • j applyard

      March 11, 2016 at 11:37 pm

      the child will learn more on the holiday than at school, travel, history, maths, language, geography, and social also lots more

      • George

        April 22, 2016 at 9:04 pm

        What? Sitting around a pool on an all inclusive holiday and never leaving the resort? Don’t pretend that all parents take they holidays touring Greek ruins or exploring off the beaten track. And as for travelling, they just go where they are taken listening to their i-pods and playing computer games.

    • k.Kelly

      March 12, 2016 at 12:06 am

      I totally agree. Not least because to take my family on a holiday during schools break practically doubles the price of the holiday. It is an appalling iniquity committed because of the greed of holiday companies. No wonder parents take their children out in term time or they would never afford a decent holiday otherwise. Schools should be more compassionate.

      • Nicky

        April 20, 2016 at 5:22 am

        Here here

      • m j

        April 22, 2016 at 7:24 pm

        A trip to Eurodisney is not a human right. Sort your priorities out.

    • Mrs s parish

      March 12, 2016 at 12:31 am

      Not all parents can take holidays when school is out

    • Tony Martin

      March 12, 2016 at 12:37 am

      I don’t see anywhere in this legislation that a teacher was involved in writing it.

    • Tracy

      March 12, 2016 at 1:00 am

      Agree totally how are some parents like myself bringing up my son on my own suppose to be able to afford a holiday otherwise it’s bloody ridiculous

    • Elaine Borges-Ibanez

      March 12, 2016 at 1:37 am

      Absolutely! The law requires that children are educated/attend school. Travel IS education, though of course its still important that their education is complete. So long as this is being attended to, what does it matter if they miss a couple of weeks for a family holiday! Not all trips are possible during the school holidays anyway, as special events – family deaths and marriages for example, can be at any time of the year. I once took my then 9 year old granddaughter to then Seychelles, as I was photographing a client’s wedding there. Together we wrote an illustrated book about her experiences,which we had printed and presented it to the school, but they simply did not care! I paid the fine, but now wish I hadn’t!

      • vinnie

        April 23, 2016 at 8:22 am

        You’re right! Travel is education. Experiencing a place in person is so much better than just reading about it. Travel makes what is taught in the classroom come to life :). Well said.

    • Teacher

      March 12, 2016 at 3:37 am

      It’s not teachers who dictate this law dick head. We just teach your children.

      • matt

        April 15, 2016 at 10:31 pm

        I hope you are not really a teacher. But if you are and if any pupil of yours called you a “dick head” you would fulminate and rant about the dreadful parents who can’t raise their children. So, who is to blame for you being so rude and ignorant?

    • Emilia Hart McNabb

      March 12, 2016 at 3:40 am

      Teachers do not dictate those types of decisions. YOUR elected public officials determine policy.

      Are approximately 12 weeks of holidays not enough for parents to take their children on vacation? Parents are being cheap and only hurting their children when they take them out of school for extended periods only for vacation.

      • V

        April 21, 2016 at 10:15 pm

        Some parents can’t afford holidays except in term time. What planet do you live on? Parents aren’t being cheap, it’s a case of trying to afford a holiday. If you can afford a summer holiday during holiday periods then aren’t you lucky!! Not everyone earns enough to do that. Get your head out of the clouds and join the real world!!!!

        • Jo Hutchinson

          April 22, 2016 at 10:53 pm

          Fair comment. So please lobby the government about a law which states that holiday companies can not inflate prices by up to 100% in school holidays instead of blaming teachers. That way both parents and school staff would be happy!

    • Moi

      March 12, 2016 at 4:20 am

      It’s not the teachers who are dictating anything. These decisions are made by buracrats and politicians.

    • George Catchpole

      March 12, 2016 at 8:28 am

      Its Good For Children To Have Family Holidays and Travel,Sometimes Its So Expensive To Have Vacations When Its School Shutdown.Children Learn So Much When They Visit Different Places This Broadens Their Horizons.My Family Took Me To Lots Of Places When I Was Young Im So Glad They Did.Teachers are There To Teach Not To Tell Us How To Live Our Lives.

    • RJo

      March 12, 2016 at 8:44 am

      It isn’t the teachers. It’s back office arseh*les that dictate.

    • Kelly

      March 12, 2016 at 8:57 am

      Not the teachers that make these rules…Im a teacher and took my daughter out during term time but had to apply for special leave. She is 5 and had a bigger life experience in Australia than the 2 weeks she missed of school. I agree it’s a crazy law and just ends up with holiday companies making g more money !

      • m j

        April 22, 2016 at 7:25 pm

        So take her out of school permanently…

    • Grant

      March 12, 2016 at 9:03 am

      You’ve hit the nail on the head with your opening comment, teachers are there to teach children, if they’re not there how can you teach them?
      It’s not the teachers that decide this, it’s the head teacher and governing body who are dictated to by the government so leave off the teachers who have a difficult enough job as it is without getting blamed for things like this.
      If you want my opinion I think schools should be able to use common sense and decide on individual cases. If a child regularly attends then it shouldn’t be a problem.

    • Kinga

      March 12, 2016 at 9:12 am

      amen

    • Julie

      March 12, 2016 at 9:57 am

      Can I just say, above it says this is a Government decision, not a school or teachers. Also school employees are not allowed holidays intern time under any circumstance so they too have to pay full, ridiculous prices for holidays and family events. Maybe the issue is with the holiday companies?

      • C M

        March 16, 2016 at 11:14 am

        I lets out this in perspective, this is a government decision not a teachers decision seeing all these comments are about teachers not being able to take term time holidays, you do however get 13 weeks paid annual leave every year, no other profession or job allows that amount of paid leave

        • Janice

          April 17, 2016 at 6:17 pm

          It’s not actually paid leave salarys are paid pro rata …..for example you take a job advertised at £25.000, the payslip on month 12 will say gross pay roughly £21.000 ….so you don’t actually get paid 13 weeks holiday

        • MI

          April 20, 2016 at 5:57 am

          It is not 13 weeks paid – check terms and conditions – also, our ‘holidays’ are not exactly relaxing due to the planning, preparation, resources etc that we do during this time…

        • Evarap

          April 21, 2016 at 7:09 am

          No, actually teachers are paid for the weeks thy work plus the usual amount of holidays (I think it’s 20 days + bank holidays, but would have to confirm). The pay is then split over 12 months.

          So in actual fact, teachers have unpaid leave imposed.on them – if you want to be technical about it.

    • Acjackman

      March 12, 2016 at 11:34 am

      Well said ! I begrudge paying more money to take my children away during summer holidays ! My children have special needs and can’t cope with large crowds of people so find it very hard to find somewhere suitable

    • Joan McTigue

      March 12, 2016 at 12:06 pm

      Yet if children miss important lessons, fall behind and fail exams – will you blame the teachers?

      • father

        April 21, 2016 at 11:11 am

        I blame the teachers if they don’t teach what is on the exam paper which I experienced when I was in school, but if the parents speak to the teacher and asked to be informed of the subject matter for the time that they are away from school, parents can teach their children, that is why we have cut down so many trees to make books, and the Internet is a massive advantage.

    • Florence

      March 12, 2016 at 1:37 pm

      It’s not the teachers who dictate this it’s the government. Many teachers, like myself, do not agree with the big brother attitude. It’s easier to target parents who care and feel bullied into paying these fines rather than those who truant on a regular basis.

    • Tracey jackson

      March 12, 2016 at 5:26 pm

      My Granddaughter has to finish school at 2 pm an hour before everyone else.because she May be autistic.but the school insist she has a special need’s teacher until she is tested, who has to finish at 2 pm. She also is not allowed to enter school with the rest of her class as she has a special need’s teacher. Dispite losing all this school time she is in the upper level’s in most of her subject’s. We have waited over 5 month’s for her appointment.

    • Jim McEwen

      March 12, 2016 at 7:12 pm

      I think you’ll find it was Michael Gove’s policy being enforced. It was nothing to do with the teachers!

    • Lisa

      March 12, 2016 at 11:08 pm

      Teachers are not the ones dictating, try the government… Teachers are bound by government law!

    • Hilary

      March 12, 2016 at 11:51 pm

      It’s not the teachers dictating. The Headteachers are following the law. If they do not follow through the rules THEY get slammed by Ofsted for too many children being absent.

    • Angela McDonald

      March 13, 2016 at 1:06 am

      Malcolm Stuart – Teachers do teach children and don’t dictate to parents regarding school holidays! School holidays are nothing to do with teachers!!! The government makes the rules and the local council enforces them.

    • Kelly

      March 13, 2016 at 6:00 am

      To be fair it’s not the teachers saying they can’t go on holiday… it’s the government schemes and rules not the individual schools.

    • Sam

      March 13, 2016 at 8:11 am

      It’s not the teachers who make these ridiculous rules! They have to follow the guidelines and rules dictated by the government! Teachers have children too and can only take them on holiday during the breaks when prices are ridiculously high. Think about that! We are on your side in this!!

    • Me

      March 13, 2016 at 4:56 pm

      The teachers don’t fine the parents. The government does.

    • Steve

      March 14, 2016 at 11:12 pm

      yes teachers are their to teach children but they find it impossible if the child is not in school

    • G Pearson

      March 15, 2016 at 10:00 am

      Spot on Malcolm.. The problem lies with ‘State Parenting’, which has gone FAR TOO FAR… and personally, I wouldn’t pay a fine either had I took my kids out of school, why… they ARE MY CHILDREN…

    • Chris

      March 15, 2016 at 3:44 pm

      Agreed Malcolm, but when the children start failing exams, or the teachers don’t have any pupils to teach, who are they going to blame. It’s not like kids don’t get enough holidays throughout the year. I’d be happy to have that many days off. As an employer, I want to know that the future workforce is educated to the best of the teacher’s ability.

    • James browne

      March 16, 2016 at 8:43 pm

      I’m a teacher…and yes, I agree. Just don’t expect teachers to re cover what they’ve missed. Then, it’s cool with me, personally.

    • Kathy

      April 22, 2016 at 5:19 pm

      But they can’t teach the children if they are off on holiday in term time

  2. lyn

    March 10, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    this is a joke as my grandson and a friends son both only get 3 days of 3hrs a day per week also foster kids can have upto 2/3weeks off before they sort out school transport ete

  3. alison

    March 10, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    I wonder if those who have already been fined will get their money back???

  4. Karen

    March 10, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Myself and my work colleagues work in the pottery/ceramics industry and our place of work has fixed holidays.. such as the potters fortnight.. so taking the children out of school for a holiday isn’t up for discussion we have no choice!!.. just because the industry isn’t as thriving as years ago doesn’t mean we don’t exist … we have to work around the stupid rules of the schools term times.. but we as potters shouldn’t have to have permission. .

  5. someone who believes in education

    March 10, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    I don’t take my children out of school for a holiday imho I think they already have enough holidays off school, the most I have done is a Friday off to have a long weekend , no I cant afford to take them on a what is seen as a proper holiday in the six weeks holidays we go camping with friends , other than that if we take anything else it is a 3 day sun holiday or nothing. I would also point out that is my children were not classed as gifted and talented I would not take them for the Friday either, if nothing else I have learned education is important and in these times more so for the coming generations, I ditched ALOT and I so regret that now. two weeks off in term time wont be happening.
    It is up to each parent to do what THEY think is right for their kids just remember you will have to watch them struggle with the consequences of those holidays when they have families of their own.

  6. Laura

    March 10, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    To be fair, teachers did not bring in this fining and don’t have anything to do with the decisions – it’s the Local Education Authority.

  7. Lisa wareing

    March 10, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    My daughter is disabled and has problems with her legs we have been refused holidays from school every year while she’s been in comprehensive we find it hard school times as there is to many children around and water therapy does her really good but we find it so hard when there’s a lot of children around as she doesn’t feel safe but we have still taken our holidays .

  8. Gemma

    March 10, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    Bring the holiday dates prices down dramatically then!! Simples.

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:02 am

      Exactly Gemma. Simple really have said this all along. If the travel companies don’t increase the price during holidays then it won’t happen. It’s not rocket science ?

    • father

      April 21, 2016 at 11:19 am

      Exactly. A lot of people saying it isn’t the teachers fault, I understand without it being rammed down my throat every second message on here, it is the government dictating. My son goes to school five days a week, as well as getting his homework, sea cadets and football, so I take 4 weeks holiday abroad every 2 years, £4000 in plane tickets every 2 years. Almost double if I go at exactly holiday time.

  9. david decendant of david the great

    March 10, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    hows about these schools stop trying to be a parent.. they are there to educate and enlighten.. not to control and punish people… this place is fast becoming a concnetration camp … all be it a 21st century one that people dont even see there in !!!

  10. Tom Robinson

    March 11, 2016 at 12:03 am

    Malcolm, in order for them to teach the children, the children need to be in attendance.
    Too many parents simply regard schools and teachers as free daycare for when it suits them.

  11. john hodge

    March 11, 2016 at 1:02 am

    i agree, let them take there school holiday in term. its not always possible when the parents are working to arrange family holidays on certain dates. and parents do not have the money all year round. and i know this myself when i had my children. i took my children overseas in school term, which they would never had seen. had it been there school holidays.

  12. Beth

    March 11, 2016 at 1:12 am

    And there was I foolishly thinking that we lived in a democratic society and not under a dictatorship!

  13. Catherine Crossley

    March 11, 2016 at 7:30 am

    He’s lucky he could afford to pay for a lawyer!! I can’t and was fined £885 which I can’t pay so now the bailiffs will be knocking on my door any day now. My child had school anxiety which they refused to accept. Instead they tried to accuse me of child abuse!! HELP ME PLEASE!!

  14. Tracey

    March 11, 2016 at 8:55 am

    We get fined for taking our children out of school during term time, yet if school is closed for teacher training or any other reason, we don’t get anything for those lost days of our child’s education!!

    • Claire

      April 16, 2016 at 7:50 am

      Hi Tracey, On a teacher training day teachers are trained to teach your child so they get a better education, your child is not loosing any days of education as training days are statutory. Schools very rarely close.

      • Hew

        April 21, 2016 at 1:47 pm

        Indeed..and the vast majority of parents very rarely wish to take their children out of school during term time..in fact, my children had several days off school last year due to teacher strikes and inset days, but when I needed to take them out for a close family member’s funeral it was not approved..so wrong!

    • Bonnyblue

      April 20, 2016 at 4:00 pm

      My sentiments exactly does the government fine the people for inset days ……. No …..when children get expelled from school and don’t get them back in education for over a year do they fine the school for kicking the kids out …..no it only suits them when we want holidays etc etc

  15. Bryan P. Hoare

    March 11, 2016 at 8:58 am

    I think that it is fine to take children out of school, except in their last two years prior to taking GCSE exams when they need to spend their time revising.

    • Claire

      April 16, 2016 at 7:52 am

      As a teacher at secondary school I think this is a great idea.

  16. Sheila

    March 11, 2016 at 9:10 am

    Not all parents can get leave in school holidays, why should they not be entitled to have holidays with their families.

  17. Robert Ibrahim

    March 11, 2016 at 9:50 am

    It is the Holiday companies that need looing at, if they didnt hike the prices up so much ins school holidays then parents would not need to take the kids out in term time. Holidcay companies think school holidays are a license to print money

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:08 am

      Again this is what’s happening. Bring the prices down and kids get their education and also the travel companies profit increases. How can nobody see this

    • Dave

      April 20, 2016 at 9:25 pm

      The problem is them holiday companies are owned by the politicians that write the laws, or the politicians have shares in said companies.
      They write them laws knowing full well they can bend us over and shaft us parents making a nice profit while laughing at us shouting at the teachers who have sod all to do with this.
      Until we stand up collectively and tell them to fuck off this will keep happening. But Unfortunately I cant see it happening as we are a bunch of spineless cowards in this country that would sooner sit and watch X factor while dribbling into our popcorn than do anything about it.

  18. Tony

    March 11, 2016 at 10:54 am

    Michael Gove was then scrapped, but his cruel dictatorial schemes lived on..

  19. Coach

    March 11, 2016 at 11:34 am

    It’s not the teachers at fault, it is the government policy that the teachers are made to follow.
    I would be in favour of being able to take a 2 week holiday in term time as long as the children were good attenders.

  20. R Terwilliger

    March 11, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    Get your kids to school, it’s free! What is more important an education or a holiday? Anyone choosing the latter should ashamed. Oh, before anyone wants to mention increased prices for holiday/travel during school holidays consider this:

    If you have to pay increased prices at these times spare a thought for people who want to travel at these times who don’t have children, they have to pay the same price & don’t get any financial help/benefits.

    Get your kids to school, you’d moan if the offer of free education wasn’t available.

    Oh & don’t forget to sue the school for a lack of good education should your children underachieve in later life.

    Holiday or education. Holidays will be there later in life, education won’t be.

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:14 am

      Don’t see your point about spare a thought for people who don’t have kids. I don’t but take kids to a special school and my parents live in Spain. I gave to pay inflated prices because of companies profiteering. It’s everyone that gets penalised all due to greed. British the prices down to the standard price and they get more business. Surely it’s a no brainer

  21. maureen

    March 11, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    good on him its the holiday agents they need to get sorted as they double it in school holidays bloody ridicules you should be able to take them on holidays what happens if they brothers and sisters don’t live to gather they have to have contact.

  22. Joan Walton

    March 11, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    How about when teachers call a sudden strike ? Are we allowed to fine them £60 per teacher per child? Thought not!!

    • Claire

      April 16, 2016 at 7:58 am

      What a strange comment Joan, teachers do not call a sudden strike, a strike will only happen after long debates between government and teaching unions. Debates that are been held to provide children with a better quality education. When teachers strike we do not get paid for the day we strike. If you would like to find out more about the reasons for teachers strikes please feel free to visit my own union’s website http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/. Take care

  23. JJ

    March 11, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    My husband asked in February and been refused permission to allow his 2 boys 2 days in November to take them away. They don’t live with us, it is a family holiday and is the first time we have asked….. We will appeal but will be taking em anyway!,,,

  24. Jayne Houston

    March 11, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    The Gov want the NHS to run 24/7. How do NHS employees take family away on holiday when the staff are not all permitted to take time off during school holidays. I was fortunate that my kids school understood, if I took them out during school they had educational visits + had to complete a holiday diary ( which they love to look over ) Once they were at secondary school I had to stop + they missed Hols. Not really fair. OK if you work 9-5, mon – fri + get school hols off, or shut up shop for a few weeks in the summer. Like to see the reaction if a hospital tried that!

  25. Kerry

    March 11, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    I took mine last week before Christmas.. I was threatened with a letter saying if they don’t attend regularly in future i will hsve a fine 🙄 Both are close to 100% attendance only needing time off when the actual school send them home x

  26. Laura beckett

    March 11, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    Hats off to this guy who has hopefully set a precedent for the rest of us parents who don’t want to or can’t afford to pay the ridiculous price hikes over school holidays

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:17 am

      Agree agree it’s simple bring the cost down

  27. rob

    March 11, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    I was taken regularly out of school to holiday abroad from the age of 5 to 15… It never affected my education, because schools actually TAUGHT children and didnt give a resit to till you pass. These rules were brought in to force non compliant parents to ensure their children went to school… sadly those parents dont give a rats ass and its the 95% of decent parents that suffer

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:19 am

      Very much agree with you. Hit the nail on the head

    • V

      April 21, 2016 at 10:20 pm

      Exactly!! I missed first two weeks of Sept every year of primary school. Didn’t hold me back and I’ve three degrees including a PhD to prove it. It’s ridiculous.

  28. Raymond Lee

    March 11, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    Mr Platt has done a great service for all parents who want to take time out with their children whilst still upholding common sense and respecting the ethic of a stable and worthwhile education. His stand against the dictatorial powers of Local Authorities who saw this as a cash cow have proven that policy of enforcement without consideration and due respect for the family to be a gross error. Well done Mr Platt and thank you.

  29. Kelly Fletcher

    March 11, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    We are their parents! we should get the last say on what happens, to not let them go is depriving them of a holiday…family bonding is very very important & whole different experience if abroad a new culture, food, language & traditions it’s education in itself! Some families cannot afford to be ripped off and pay 3 times the amount to go in summer holidays travel agents, schools u should all be ashamed of yourselves for this carry on! Little bit sick of the goverment thinking they own us & our children feels like she’s not even mind at times constantly being told what I can/cannot do..

  30. Kelly Fletcher

    March 11, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    Disgusting & needs to change.

  31. Ben

    March 11, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    great…so those of us without children who could previously book holidays safe ikn the knowledge that as long as we avoided school holidays we’d (mostly) escape other people’s mewling brats on flights & in restaurants and bars at our holiday destination are now no longer safe from children. way to go, selfish!

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 10:03 am

      So parents are being selfish? So you think you should be entitled to chose from the other 40 weeks in the year when you want to go on your childless holiday? Hmmm thats not selfish at all!!!! Children are our next generation..you should show some respect for the parents of these ‘mewling brats’of which I have no doubt you were one (and it seems still are)..

  32. Chris

    March 11, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    They send children home when heating is broke but refuse children time off to be with family on holiday , getting out of hand.

    • Claire

      April 16, 2016 at 8:01 am

      Im sure you wouldn’t want your child in a freezing cold school anyway. 🙂

  33. Chloe

    March 11, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    Schools in the UK have far too much power and have absolutely no right to dictate to parents, how can they in one breath preach work life balance but then impose a penalty if you try to obtain that with your family? Attack holiday companies for goodness sake not families that cant afford the extortionate holiday prices that get hiked up during school holidays.

    If I felt in any way there was genuine concern by schools over attendance of their students I could maybe understand but Ive worked in a school myself over the past 7 years and I am utterly disgusted that their so called concern is purely so they can achieve a particular level during an ofsted inspection which allows headteachers to keep their jobs and their impressive £80 – £100k salaries.

  34. BB

    March 11, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    When schools cannot provide enough teachers to cover lessons are they not in breach of the same regulations and should parents be allowed to fine the school or local authority?

  35. Cosma

    March 11, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    I got a stern letter from my kids school because he missed 6 “sessions” that would be morning or afternoon (3 days) ALL YEAR (all authorised). I responded that I thought that this was over zealous and counterproductive as he himself had WANTED 100% attendance (there was some present from his form tutor riding on it). They did not have the decency to respond. I suspect they were embarrassed.

    A friend of mine, that is involved with a different school, told me that the person responsible for such things does have some leeway and was being a little ott.

    What ever happened to “use your own discretion” or in English “engage your brain”?

  36. Angela Walker

    March 11, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    Yes I just got my fine for taking taking daughter in October last year she missed 7dsys,she is never off school or late ,December 14 my parents took us to Florida for Xmas so she missed the last two days when they do nothing and still got 60pound fine

  37. Selina Moore

    March 11, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    Schools are always the bad guys! No wonder so many leave the profession. What about staff we can’t have term time holidays. Children get 12 weeks off a year that’s plenty. Most of the time we parent the parents anyway!

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:21 am

      Cost !!! Simple

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 10:12 am

      I am so sick of hearing this argument from teachers…YOU presumably made the decision to go into this profession fully aware of when you could take holiday..parents have been given no option!! You ‘parent the parents’?? Wow how little respect you have for parents..I would be very concerned if you were a teacher in my child’s school..I suggest that maybe its time for you to leave the profession with that attitude.

      • Sarah howard

        April 22, 2016 at 7:15 pm

        Totally agree

      • Mrs Escapes

        April 23, 2016 at 8:15 am

        In some schools ‘parenting parents’ in a reality. Not the case for all parents of course.

  38. Mrs Searle

    March 11, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    We took our kids abroad every year in term time in the 1970s didn’t hurt their education one daughter is an account manager for American firm and other daughter is a legal Secretary .It’s a ridiculous law

  39. stuart wagstaff

    March 11, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    Im a weekend father, would taking my daughter away during school time for a week on holiday be classed as exceptional circumstances? I see my daughter 52 times a year for a few hours because of rules set by other adults. . So a week away 24/7 with my little lady to me would be classed as this

  40. Lois

    March 11, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    Would that mean teachers could also take term time holiday? We also have to pay through the nose for a family holiday because it always has to be in peak season.

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 10:19 am

      No absolutely not! Although in exceptional circumstances yes of course..you chose your profession fully aware of the terms of your employment (as the rest of us do). This is not about teachers..stop being so resentful or change your career..its teachers with this attitude that causes parents to have less respect..stop whining and take responsbility for the decisions you have made!

      • Nicola

        April 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm

        Yes but Hew, you also decided to be a parent, just as much as we decided to be teachers… Did you not? Or were you forced into being a parent??
        Yes, I chose to be a teacher. I did not choose to be ripped off!
        I actually agree that schools should show discretion for individual cases but we are put under huge pressure from Ofsted and above to maintain very high average attendance figures, which sadly means that responsible parents are taking the flack for the shortfall in attendance caused by irresponsible parents. Attendance should be scrutinised child by child not as an overall figure, then schools could more easily allow holidays during term time.

  41. Oddcabbage

    March 11, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    The government need to do something about travel companies ripping people off during school holidays not blame the fucking parents. Tory cunts

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:22 am

      Agree agree it’s simple

  42. wayne Stotton

    March 11, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    I understand both side of the argument but as a parent I feel that if you take your child out of school and are fined due to this effecting their education. Then surely the same must apply when teachers strike? If they strike then the child misses school and the teacher should be fined…

    • Nicola

      April 21, 2016 at 1:24 pm

      But the teacher doesn’t fine the parent! The teacher often strikes because of untenable working conditions that have a negative impact on your child. The teacher also loses a day’s pay for striking… Is that not a financial punishment enough for you!

    • Ruth

      April 21, 2016 at 9:41 pm

      We strike to fight for the best conditions for your children and to ensure teachers get to do the job they signed up for! We do not get paid on strike !

  43. Paul Ferris

    March 11, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    I intend to take our children on holiday for last week of June. I will refuse to pay the fine too. My argument is this: It is not against the law to take your children on holiday during term time but it is OK for the school to close for teacher training? It is ok for the school to close to use it as a poling station? It is OK to close the school for the fitment of solar panels to roof? But it is not OK for me to take them on a 7 day holiday to experience the culture and language of another country?

  44. Jill

    March 11, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    In my opinion, it is up to both parents ans teachers to ensure a child is educated … The current argument baffles me, if kids are learning outside school, then thats good .. Why fine parents ! And why would a parent wish to take a child out of school in term time ! … Because it cheaper ? .. So attack the travel agencies, not the parents or the schools. Home schooling is perfectly legal … Perhaps Mr Platt should consider that ? .. Or is he considering teachers as child minders ?

  45. vonnyc

    March 11, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    Taking your child on holiday is education in itself. Different modes of travel, different cultures, language, money, geographical and climate differences, cultural education etc etc. Whats the problem -children learn through different experiences not just in a school environment. Being given holiday opportunites that parents maybe could not afford in term time is invaluable.

  46. S Atkins

    March 11, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    My husband is a teacher and attends school regularly. Could I then take him on holiday during term time if it was beneficial to his health?

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 12:40 pm

      What a ridiculous comment! What on earth does your husband’s health have to do with this discussion?!!!

  47. Rebecca harvey

    March 11, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    Yes if there attendance is good I don’t see no issue in taking you child for a holiday us as parents should have the right to decide what’s best for our child who the hell are the council to decide if you can’t take your own children or not!!

  48. June pickford

    March 11, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    Is travellers gypsies allowed to take kids out of school????

  49. Penny

    March 11, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    I think it’s fair to say that if you’re a working parent and your child /children are in school regularly and their grades are at a reasonable standard for their age then why can’t we have a two week holiday period. When us poorest working families can’t afford a nice holiday to treat our children those on benefits can in the holidays. Somethings not right and isn’t very fair.and why should we be penalised for going out to work to provide for our family
    sort it out we need a set rule for the working families to benefit from working hard and keeping our kids in education.

  50. Cathryn

    March 11, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    Good on Mr. Platt. It is difficult enough affording such a wonderful holiday for his girls, and I applaud him for not giving in to the buggers.

  51. Sean Green

    March 11, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    Bit of flawed logic there. If the child isn’t in, then the teacher can’t teach the child.

  52. Cecelia Jones

    March 11, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    The teachers don’t dictate to parents about school attendance, numpty. It is the Government

  53. James inglis

    March 11, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    Glad that the magistrate had some common sense.this jis the way it should be as long as parents are not taking the p..s. then what’s the problem

  54. Ali Owen

    March 11, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    Its not the teachers who dictate this its the welfare officers who check attendance in the schools. You can’t blame them either as its their job, the government dictates the attendance allocation. Teachers and support staff have to take holidays in school holidays so its expensive, even more so for us support staff as we are on low wages. If you want someone to blame then its the holiday companies and resorts that put prices up and the government back this.

  55. s Morris

    March 11, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    Can teachers take term time off for holidays?

    • Mrs Escapes

      April 23, 2016 at 7:58 am

      I wish lol

  56. Tracey Ellitts

    March 11, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    Its not the teachers that impose this, but the heads, governors and government as the schools lose funding, have poor attendance results and these down value a school with Ofsted reports and how outstanding schools are, or aren’t. People blame “teachers” for a lot of things for which they have no choice for enforcement.

  57. Anna

    March 11, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    All Michael Gove’s scheme achieved was to create millions for travel companies and tour operators overcharging parents unfairly. Scrap it. Travel broadens kids horizons and should be encouraged, they can always do a holiday project for ‘educational’ value.

    • russ

      April 20, 2016 at 8:26 am

      As always ghus is the issue. Stop the travel companies inflating prices and child’s attendance will increase

  58. Doctore

    March 11, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Teachers do teach children. Schools are held accountable for the attendance of children (and the decisions of parents to take them out of school in term time) by government. Teachers literally have nothing to do with this national policy.

  59. B.A

    March 11, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    If they start to fine the parents of Bullies for assault before this sort of thing first then parents may start to respect the schools 👍

  60. P Kitson

    March 11, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    I don’t have any young children now only grandchildren but I do know I would sooner pay the fine than the extra it would cost to take them out of term time. I really believe it is discusting that they say when they can have holidays.

  61. Elaine Borges-Ibanez

    March 12, 2016 at 1:24 am

    Absolutely fantastic news! The world outside the school gates is very rich, enhancing the children’s lives and experiences, often in a way that is more useful to their future than the equivalent time spent in a classroom. By all means chase REAL truants, but leave parents alone who wish to travel with their children to enrich their world!

  62. Anthony unwin

    March 12, 2016 at 1:28 am

    How about kids just have 23 days holiday per year not including bank holidays and book them as and when required by the parents? Just the same as they will when they start work and give them a better more constant education. Much fairer system and it also means that teachers have to work all year like us proper workers.

    • Buzz

      April 19, 2016 at 8:16 pm

      You clearly have no idea of how education works. What a stupid pointless comment

    • Sar

      April 20, 2016 at 9:14 pm

      My salary is pro-rata so they actually dont pay me for 9 out the 13 weeks a year we only get paid 4 weeks like you proper working folk!!! Therefore I work a second job like others. Also if you go into a school over the holiday period the schools are busy with teachers working, preping and marking. Developing new resources, schemes of work and classroom activities. I think if the child has good attendance 95% then week in term time is fine as long as they are not in last 2-3 years of high school when GCSE prep is taking place. As long as the family can catch the child up with work they have missed.

    • Louise

      April 20, 2016 at 9:18 pm

      So when do the teachers take their 23 days if children are taking them all through the year?? What are you going to do with your kids if their teachers holiday does not coincide with yours?!? Eeerrrmmmm logic?

    • J

      April 21, 2016 at 9:08 pm

      We do work all year. You do not understand the work outside the classroom. I would love you to experience it.

  63. P. T. G.

    March 12, 2016 at 4:20 am

    Clearly it would cost more to take a child on a trip to Florida during the summer than the fine is anyway so in my opinion there is no choice. Take your child when you can afford to and deal with the consequences afterwards.

  64. Nigel baker

    March 12, 2016 at 6:45 am

    Why oh why is it so expensive to take our children on holiday in school holiday time, if the holiday companies didn’t rip us off on school breaks it wouldn’t be an issue

    • Naomi Tayler

      April 23, 2016 at 3:29 pm

      Yes, it would. Many jobs require adequate cover be available at all times, so parents CAN’T all take holidays when their children are off school.

  65. Rosanna

    March 12, 2016 at 7:01 am

    My two children did not spend time with their dying father because the schools advised us it was better that the children attend school. Did not realise at the tine the school were not acting on training and wisdom for my child’s benefit but for their records.

  66. Lorraine

    March 12, 2016 at 7:21 am

    Clearly the rule makers haven’t noticed that the price of airline tickets double in school holidays

  67. John Maiden

    March 12, 2016 at 7:34 am

    It’s all well and good saying it’s a landmark decision. However, the bigger picture here is the reason he took the children out of school. The cost of holidays outside term time. If the restrictions on children taking time out from school were lifted and holidays became more difficult to find because of this the prices would rise in termtime as well.

  68. T MacDonald

    March 12, 2016 at 7:38 am

    I think that as long as the children have got a good attendance and it isn’t a holiday in the middle of exams or something, then you should be able to take your children on holiday. Teachers can take Teacher training day and inconvenience parents and not get fined .
    Taking children on holiday in half term is double in price, it’s outrageous and so therefore some parents have to take children in term time just so they can have a family holiday.

    Where’s that petition? I’ll sign it …. Good for you Mr. Platt …

  69. hamish smith

    March 12, 2016 at 8:22 am

    does the school pay parents when they close it for whatever reason, like a radiator doesnt work or they have had a flake of snow..!!

  70. P bridger

    March 12, 2016 at 8:46 am

    Sometimes a holiday away somewhere new, time spent with family, is a better education than sitting in a classroom. I very much doubt anyone would take their children away frequently, but a few days once a year is hardly going to make or break a child’s education. If the Government are so concerned about educating, they should have thought harder before shortening the school day. Children today in the UK spend slmost 4 hours a week less at school than I did.

  71. Sue

    March 12, 2016 at 9:01 am

    But it was never made clear what the exceptional circumstances wear, you weren’t allowed to take kids out if a close relative was sick, all relatives had to make sure they were sick only in school holidays

  72. John Forster

    March 12, 2016 at 9:07 am

    in my view , people should be allowed to take holidays during term time , as
    a) some people are restricted through work of the times they can take off on holiday
    b) the prices during school holidays double and sometimes treble ,people just cant affford to go on holiday through school holidays
    it is just schools being dictorial saying you cant but now it is has been beaten perhaps we can get back to normaility and allow the parents to decide when they are going or when they can afford to go on holiday

  73. Mumof2

    March 12, 2016 at 9:26 am

    By law parents are responsible to ensure that their children attend school regularly. He mentions his daughter’s attendance was 94% in the previous year, this isn’t great – it equates to 11 days off! I wonder what her attendance was the next year when he took her out of school to go to Florida? As far as I see it, the issue here is that the government have failed to qualify what ‘regular’ is. Attendance should be monitored closely by the school as there are many other reasons for absenteeism. Schools don’t want to police holidays and enforce fines but Mr Gove dictated otherwise…

  74. ms bubo

    March 12, 2016 at 9:48 am

    Ridiculous. I am a teacher and mother. If I took time out of teaching to take my kids on holiday what would parents say about that I wonder! Where is the compassion for parent teachers who have to endure low pay, price hikes during holidays, 70 hour weeks and working during holidays, for free, to provide additional tuition to pupils! No, I don’t agree with prosecuting parents and they should have more choice, but, there are two sides to every story and if you don’t agree with state education you always have the choice of taking them out of school and educating them yourself or other alternative education institutions,hmmmmm, I wonder how many would actually be really looking at there Childs best interests with that knowledge. Yes, that’s right, you can choose to educate your child however you like, so, take them out, go somewhere else, or raise/educate yourself if its so bad!

    • ms bubo

      March 12, 2016 at 10:30 am

      Oh, and just before anyone starts about how many holidays teachers get… …my contract states I only get paid for 6 weeks per year. My pay is then split over the 12 months. I also work in those”so-called” half terms getting very little time with my daughter. In my opinion only, Government should be scrapping the current out-dated system, setting up self-directed learning centres that are open over longer periods, allowing more say for parents, flexibility and choice for pupils, parents and teachers alike in this 21st century day.

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 1:03 pm

      I suggest that you speak directly with your employer if you are unhappy with your working conditions (a responsibility we all have to take for ourselves as working adults)..I do not see how this is relevant to this discussion but, unfortunately, there are too many disgruntled teachers jumping on the bandwagon. On one hand you agree that this policy is unfair but then you proceed to attack parents for making a stand against it! You CHOSE your profession understanding that taking holiday during term time was not an option so stop whinging! Nothing has changed for you!!! I am self employed so do not get any payment for holidays or sickness…but hey that was MY decision and I dont blame anyone else for it!!!

    • V

      April 21, 2016 at 10:23 pm

      You chose your job and accepted the terms and conditions!!!!!

    • Naomi Tayler

      April 23, 2016 at 3:06 pm

      You do realise not everyone has the option to get time off during school holidays, right? My husband is a postman, and hasn’t been able to take those weeks off three years in a row now. Does that mean my family shouldn’t get a holiday away? Thank goodness I live in Scotland where common sense still prevails.

  75. Julie mullard

    March 12, 2016 at 9:49 am

    Having been an education welfare officer for 15 years, now changed career, this has always amused me. Responsible parents ask their school if it’s OK to take their children out in term time. Even if this is because of cost it is absolutely valid as it allows families on low incomes to access holidays abroad which in the school holidays they couldn’t afford. If we look more closely just at that area then we are talking about discrimination apart from the fact that this might be the only quality family time they have all year. Then if we look at people who have fixed holidays again this could be discriminative. I am amazed that this precentor hasn’t been set before. The disgraceful attendance figures in this country are not created by the responsible parents, but the irresponsible and schools still choose which families they want to target which is not necessarily the ones causing the biggest problem. Families who are well thought of or well in with the local schools can have ridiculous amounts of absence authorized and authorization absence is always what in reality affects our attendance figures.

  76. Rob

    March 12, 2016 at 10:51 am

    About time common sense has risen it’s head , ohh and those that have paid fines must be repaid with interest , and an apology , the laws the law ,

  77. Phil

    March 12, 2016 at 11:19 am

    Government needs to look at fining holiday companies / airlines for doubling their prices during UK school holidays. Then there would be no need to take the kids out during terem time.

    • Naomi Tayler

      April 23, 2016 at 3:08 pm

      How well that help families like mine, who often can’t book time off work during the official school holidays?

  78. Dawn

    March 12, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    At the end of the day we know when the holidays are, at school, and should book our holidays for that time.
    If we teach our children to take holidays in the middle of term time, how will they know the difference when they start work?

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 1:13 pm

      Oh my goodness..what on earth do you mean ‘how will they know the difference’..erm..because they will have a contract of employment and presumably a brain in which to understand what their responsibilities are as working adults?? Unless, I guess, you have not taught your children to take any responsibility in life and they grow up with that attitude?!! Honestly..you insult the intelligence of all of us with that ridiculous comment..

    • Naomi Tayler

      April 23, 2016 at 3:26 pm

      Yes. We know when the school holidays are, and where possible I think most parents do book their vacations within those periods. But it’s not possible in a huge number of jobs – my husband is a postman, and to ensure adequate cover his depot CAN’T allow everyone with kids to take their holidays during those periods. They have to take turns at it. The same is true for many other professions. Would you think it acceptable to need a paramedic during the summer holidays, but not get one because they are all in Spain? Not everyone works in offices.

  79. pat baker

    March 12, 2016 at 1:19 pm

    Good glad parents have won the right to decide how to bring up their children

  80. Mr Nutt

    March 12, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    The whole idea of not letting parents taking there kids out in school time needs to be scrapped as you got a load of parents who get told when to take there holidays so they have to take there kids in school terms time is all NHS staff police fireman/women bus and train drivers

  81. liz

    March 12, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    Teachers get away with taking their holidays when they want and closing the school for teacher training days. Why can they not do their teacher training days during the holidays if it’s so important for children to attend scoop every day! It is too unreasonable not to allow families a two week holiday period as it’s not always possible due to parents jobs to go away I summer holidays especially for parents who work in the hospitality industry.

  82. Hazel whiteside

    March 12, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    Good on this father for not giving in to the system. He’s probably given other parents the “courage” to take on the system too

  83. Marie Farrar

    March 12, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    Perhaps we can also allow teachers the same privilege so they can take their own children away for a cheaper holiday.

  84. Stephanie Russell

    March 12, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    Same parent would probably complain if their child now falls behind, and will expect the teacher to make sure the child catches upon their return – whilst still having to look after the other 29 in the class. Selfish, pure and simple. Bet this parent also complains if school is shut for an inset day, or teachers are on strike, because it impacts on their working day.

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 1:22 pm

      And why shouldn’t parents complain about the school deciding when its ok not to teach their children! So parents are not able to decide but schools are? And parents are the selfish ones!! Huge double standard…schools want the choice but are intolerant of parents having any!!!!

  85. John

    March 12, 2016 at 4:16 pm

    Good for him. We have done this twice. We notify the school to be courteous. Ultimately the Parents have the final say. Employers don’t always allow your vacation to coincide with school breaks, so really some parents don’t really have a choice.

    We ask if there is school work they would like to see completed so we have the kids do it while on our vacation but haven’t had any problems.

  86. Christine Griffiths

    March 12, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    I just think holiday company’s holiday parks etc should charge the same all season then there would not be a need to take your child out of school during term time

    • Naomi Tayler

      April 23, 2016 at 3:19 pm

      We frequently have to book our annual holiday during term time, and it’s not because of price. It’s because my husband doesn’t get first choice at the holiday rota, and as often as not he CAN’T get time off work during the school holidays. There are many, many jobs which make being selective about your dates an impossibility. Should all families in that position just do without, too?

  87. Margaret Dumbreck

    March 12, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    Common sense at last! Some parents, especially small employers, simply cannot go on holiday during the school holidays. Education is important but so too is the experience gained from travelling and from being with the family, often gathered in from all corners of the country or globe to share precious time together. The school holiday times do not necessarily coordinate, even between England and Scotland. Apart from this, parental rights are being gradually eroded to an unacceptable extent. Well done John Platt and thank you for persevering.

    • Hew

      April 21, 2016 at 1:23 pm

      Hear hear!

  88. flo

    March 12, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    A lot of kids have attendance that is 94% or less without taking time off for holidays.

  89. anthony elslsey

    March 12, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    children need a proper schooling as if they dont get very good education there out look on work will b very much lower than what they should do . ican see why parents feel it would b a lot cheaper to take their children away during term time and as long as they r up to where they should b with their schooling then if it is only once in a very time during schooling then yes they should b allowed 2 take their children out of school if it runs just after a school holiday then i cant see any problem with parents taking them out of school

  90. Kathryn Bohme

    March 12, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    Almost any family holiday will provide more value and learning opportunity to a child than the equivalent time in school. I am thrilled that this case was won. I home educated 2 of my kids for 2.5 years and was astounded about how much they learned from personal motivation during that time. I still think (they are adults now) that this was their strongest education.

    • Nicky

      April 20, 2016 at 5:23 am

      Fantastic, I couldn’t agree more.

  91. Alan

    March 12, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    Solitors should organise a collective action for the parents who have been the victims of a miscarriage of justice and have been wrongfully fined.
    Just because an MP tells you to do what he thinks the law should be, that is not the law.

  92. julie barney

    March 12, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    holidays in school time are cheaper and also educational so providing the child /children regulary attend school I can t see there being a problem xx I work in a school and wish we could have a week of during the year to get cheaper hols x

  93. Joyce West

    March 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    These regulations were made by politicians, not the teachers

  94. Lesley

    March 12, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    It’s quite ironic that teachers do training days in term time and on a whim! So perhaps parent should fine the schools not delivering education to the children. 13 weeks schools holidays and the training days are in term time – lead by example teachers l

    • Mrs Escapes

      April 23, 2016 at 7:46 am

      There are a certain number of days that children must be taught. Inset days are then added to this number. The dates are decided by the head and governors or the multi-academy trust. Nothing to do with teachers and it’s not a day off.

  95. Carol

    March 13, 2016 at 12:02 am

    I am a part time cleaner at a school and I am only allowed to take holidays during school holidays. What they don’t seem to realise is that I am only on minimum wage and can’t possible afford a holiday during those times. When another member of cleaning staff became ill I was expected to do her work as well as my own with no extra hours or pay. we are all expected to cover other peoples work. the school save money by doing this. Yet they say I cant have time off because of staffing. If my colleagues are willing to cover for me, which they are. I don’t see why I would get a disciplinary on my return to work if I decided to go. This is so unfair to the cleaning staff at schools. I was wondering How I could possibly get this rule over turned ????

  96. Ammaprema

    March 13, 2016 at 7:13 am

    Get them to also ban school tables of achievement which includes attendance and affect OFsted performance too. If everyone went on hols it will start to fail the school under current bureaucracy. So for instance places with a local festival e.g Glastonbury have very low attendance during the festival and are penalised for that.

  97. Nevans

    March 13, 2016 at 9:05 am

    People so quick to have a go at teachers but it’s Mps and councillors making life difficult. Teachers have zero say about this.

  98. jonothan

    March 13, 2016 at 9:38 am

    It’s alright to have teacher training days though why can’t they do that during summer holidays

  99. paul r cassidy

    March 13, 2016 at 10:24 am

    i think is pardon the pun f…….disgrace we have to take our holidays from work when we can term time or not funny how teachers can do so anytime they like but natural parents cant one rule for one and another for the rest of us bollocks this suold be abolished right now the world has gone crazy we pay more than we can afford for a childs education as it is to also be fined on top of this just for a few days out of scholl get stuffed id fight any fine court order even if it cost me my life with the stress these dick heads that broguht this in should be hanged the money grabbing dimwits hang them hang them hang them abolish this emmiediatly simples different matter when teachers have had six weeks off then first day back scholl closed for teacher training day another total bollcoks ile run for government and wipe it all out

    • Louise

      April 20, 2016 at 9:34 pm

      Its not the teachers its the governing board that decide with the head about training days any any of them are in the summer holidays before the children start back. God help your children!!

  100. Ben

    March 13, 2016 at 11:20 am

    Make no mistake, this is a decision which has nothing to do with teachers. Teachers don’t want it and teachers don’t want to enforce it. This is a government policy which headteachers are forced to act on so that schools look bad instead of central government.

  101. Helena Stephens

    March 13, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    I think to take a child out of school in term time for only a holiday is an insult to the teacher and other pupils.Teachers work hard to maintain standards and this just gives them even more to do trying to help the returning child catch up with the work that been missed.

    • Nicky

      April 20, 2016 at 5:25 am

      Bull.holiday companies are to blame for the need to do this.And I hardly think primary school kids will need to do catching up when they get back

    • Naomi Tayler

      April 23, 2016 at 3:13 pm

      So if the parents are unable to get time off work during school holidays, the kids aren’t permitted a chance to learn about other places first hand at all? You might be able to book whenever you like – many jobs don’t have that flexibility. Check your privilege please.

  102. Mag

    March 13, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    Whilst I agree in theory that everyone should have the choice, my Daughter is a teacher and she can’t take time off in term time so has to pay the excesses that this involves when going on holiday.

  103. Diane Melton

    March 13, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    Why do we have 6 weeks summer holidays. Why not cut the 6 weeks summer holidays down to 4 weeks, so parents can take their children out of school 2 weeks through out the year. Do these people that dictate to parents realise that it is the families and their pockets that suffers. Also there must be millions like my husband that have set holidays. I say cut the 6 weeks holiday down to 4 weeks to allow for this.

  104. G.Keech

    March 13, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    Do NOT blame the teachers; they are NOT the ones who make the decision to prosecute the parents.

  105. Clare mulhall

    March 13, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    If you child had good attendance I can’t see the harm in it.

    With the cost of living now days it’s no wonder we take our children out of for a holiday

  106. Simon

    March 13, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    My fine was doubled because my children have both parents at home 4 X £120 =’£480, £480 X 2 (both parents), total £960.
    Awaiting my court date

  107. Tracy

    March 13, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    Education is important,nobody would disagree, but an annual leave allowance makes sense to me. This will allow for odd days off just as much as holidays. My kids attendance is near perfect they are 7 and have had two days off sick and one hospital appointment in all that time. I would love to reward them with a day out of their choice for their hard work but paying £100+ for a day out at a park just to stand in queues for hours does not seem like just reward. I would be quite content for the school to restrict such as ‘ no leave in May due to SATS’ but otherwise I believe an allowance is the way to go especially in primary school, secondary school is maybe a little different but I’ve no experience of that.

  108. tricky

    March 13, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    the best way to lose a war is to allow your enemy to educate your children 😉 home school all the way guys

    • V

      April 21, 2016 at 10:25 pm

      That’s okay if you can afford it!!!! Single working mum here with rent to pay!!!

  109. john taylor

    March 13, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    This is good news.Travel is an educational experience that should not be restricted by the state.Let us have the freedom to decide what is in our children’s interest.

  110. barbara wells

    March 13, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Well done John . you will help so many parents. Great news.

  111. Phil Wright

    March 13, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    Absolutely right, well done him.
    Easy way government can stop parents taking our children out in term time. That’s to ban airlines and holiday companies ripping us off during the school holidays, that’s the only reason do it as term time is the only time affordable to most of us.

  112. Gisela Oliveira

    March 14, 2016 at 12:33 am

    In 2008 school made me pay for my two daughters £100 each was in that time the penalty,both attendance was 97%, when I asked school why because it was only 4 days,school said that was government laws,I regret today for didn’t go to the court,well done to Jon !

  113. Ian

    March 14, 2016 at 11:40 am

    It would be fine if tour operators didn’t take the absolute p*ss by charging usually more than double prices for the school holidays.

    To take my wife and two young sons to Majorca during half term for a week is over £4000!

    in term time it’s less than £2000

    Fair play to this man for standing up to the authorities but it shouldn’t have to be that way.

    Look at the people running the tour operators for the villains of the piece.

    • Nicky

      April 20, 2016 at 5:28 am

      It’s disgusting.i always say, don’t blame the parents, blame the holiday companies. I homeschool my boys now so I can take them whenever I want,but it’s so annoying.

  114. J Tomlinson

    March 14, 2016 at 11:45 am

    His daughter probably learnt mor in eight days at Disney than she would have learnt in eight days at school.

  115. Rhona

    March 14, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    Who’s the parent here? The actual parent or the state??? Children don’t miss much by being taken out of school for a few days or even weeks…a more rounded education exists beyond the classroom walls and parents have a right to determine the wellbeing and education of their own child.

  116. margaret

    March 14, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    I think schools should consider how often there are teacher training days and parents have to find sitters for there kids maybe parents should start fineing the teachers for wasted days off for teacher training days.When I was at school we didn’t have these days if a teacher doesn’t know there job they should be in it

    • James

      April 22, 2016 at 8:04 pm

      First of all teacher training days are statutory. Kenneth Baker decreed that all schools must have 5 teacher training days every year. Before that those days were holiday days. I’d rather have the holidays. So would pretty much every teacher so blame the government instead of teachers.
      Do you have any idea how many changes there have been to the job recently? Right now we have a new curriculum in place or coming in every year group from 7-13. This requires training and planning time. On top of that are you really suggesting that teachers should not have ongoing professional development? It’s not about knowing their job. It’s about striving to be better and having time and space to learn and improve.
      Personally provided the child takes the initiative in finding out what they will miss and doing the work or catching up this isn’t that much of a big deal. A child who does that shows that they understand the importance and value of education. Sadly such children are rare amongst those who miss lessons to go on holiday. I find that most children who miss lessons to go on holiday create a significant amount of work for me on their return. As I teach my normal lessons right up to the last day of term they will miss content. If they don’t catch up, and they often don’t, they come back behind. This has a knock on effect on their ability to engage in lessons and thus often makes their behaviour worse and requires me to give them more attention to make sure they know what to do.
      When kids are disaffected or struggling then being taken out of school to go on holiday makes it much worse.
      I understand the cost argument and I have more respect for parents that give that honest argument up front than those who give some pretentious twaddle about how much more the kids learn on holiday than they would in school.

    • Mrs Escapes

      April 23, 2016 at 7:37 am

      There are no days off for training. These days are added to the school year not taken from it.

  117. Ron Gilbert

    March 14, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    Good for you , on not paying the fine . Children’s experiences on hoilday is priceless . Government , schools should defiantly not be dictating to parents on when they are allowed to take their children away . Parent power .

  118. Maire O'Reilly

    March 15, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    Going on holiday with 17 family members is pretty exceptional in my book. What a fabulous experience. Education is a lot wider than the classroom.

  119. Sp

    March 15, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    It’s not the teacher who makes the laws it’s the government . Schools are penalised for poor attendance.

  120. Louise

    March 15, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    As a teacher I agree with parents. However there are certain times of the year they need to be in school without exception i.e. SATS, beginning of a new school year etc. Travel companies should be forced to keep holidays low priced or on par with term time. As a teacher I can’t go in term time to benefit from lower prices, I have no choice but to pay over the odds to take my daughter on holiday.

  121. J maloy

    April 15, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    I’m a parent and a travel agent! The pricing policies of travel companies during high season are down to a combination of supplier pricing I.e hotel, ground transport, airline so all suppliers would have to agree a more even year round price policy. This would mean an increase in prices outside of school holidays so would invariably mean those who could travel outside of term time would pay massively more for their holidays. I agree the hike in peak prices should be reduced but as with all markets if holidays are selling as well as they are then it’s unlikely a huge change in pricing policies will come about any time soon.

    My question to schools is why do they arrange school trips within tearm time and deem it educational to go skiing for example but not consider a family holiday educational. Why is a trip with the teachers any different to a trip with a child’s parents, both keep the child away from lessons and require them to catch up on work.
    I believe parents should have a limited time that they can apply to take their children on holiday which the school can have the authority to decline an application if the child’s education will suffer during important schooling periods.

  122. Nicole

    April 17, 2016 at 3:04 am

    Ofcourse u should take time off school to be with your family. These ARE special circumstances… Taking a child on a holiday of peak, when prices are cheaper and Cameron is already stealing ur bread, getting a bargain to take ur child to spent time and outdoor educate them like a parent should do when they have kids, is a special circumstance! Don’t hate people if ur parents never did this for u, and don’t lie that u never pulled a sickie at work! There is nothing wrong with extra outdoor curriculum with the people that u love! U never know the child might have a week off away from bullying. If I could afford holiday away, and it was during off peak time.. My kids and I would be having chicken pox the wholee week!
    Who said the child isn’t doing homework because they r not at school? Mine do 15 min here and there every day whilst on “school holiday”.. Get a grip people

  123. The doctor is in

    April 17, 2016 at 8:40 am

    There’s a lot of foul mouthed so called teachers commenting on here,

  124. Jo

    April 18, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    I think it’s neither the school nor parents to blame. The greed holiday companies who charge over the top prices in school hols are to blame. Parents can’t afford to holiday in sch hols because the prices double or more at this time

  125. Paul

    April 19, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    I have 2 children in school and I have been fighting to take them on holiday through term time , I do lots of work for schools and colleges and these works can only be undertaken in half term , Easter and summer holidays , I have been to the school with all my work orders to try and justify my reasons for taking my children on holiday through term time !! But with no luck !
    This may be the first time in 4 years we can have a family holiday in term time
    Good news 👍👍

  126. Nicky

    April 20, 2016 at 5:31 am

    Blame holiday prices,which are often doubled in school holidays,like being a parent isn’t expensive enough.i could never afford those prices.Family holidays are a wonderful educational experience for kids and actually far more useful to a child than alot of stuff they learn in school over the course of one,or two weeks.

  127. Nic

    April 20, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Wow to say some of you are teachers I’m finding your language rather unprofessional on this link we understand it’s extremely irritating that small minded people are blaming teachers but really no need for the use of vile derogatory language

  128. K.Lyn

    April 20, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    I see kids and teachers on social media during school hours. Not all teachers but quite a few just from one school. I’ve been to the school and the princible was “out for the day”. In texas we have snow days with no snow. My child was only excused 3 of 5 days she was out sick with the flu yet on teacher was out for nearly 2 weeks with the flu at the same time. Spring break is usually at the worst time of year we cant travel during christmas because of work …… yeah i say if you get a chance to show your kids family is still important also then go for it.

  129. cornish nan

    April 21, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    the biggest problem is that holiday companies and holiday parks know when school holidays are , they know that rooms are at a premium and so they take advantage and charge the earth, sometimes the only holidays some children will ever get are those that are taken during non-peak periods such as during the school term, this means that a lot of kids will never ever have a holiday, some kids have never seen the sea or touched sand or been swimming or built a sandcastle and its really not fair, we ensure our kids are given a decent education, we make sure they have school uniforms which can cost a fortune plus all the ‘kit’ they need but what good is an education when they know nothing about the real world, there is nowhere in this country you can take kids on holiday cheaply during the school holidays, even camping fees are doubled…people that go to work are given holiday leave, why not the kids, are’n’t they the ones who matter most in this world, how much education can you miss in 2 weeks, how much difference will that 2 weeks really affect the kids in later life, it will make them happier, thats how…and i know because my kids never had a holiday because of school rules and my grandchildren are getting the same and i think it stinks..

  130. Shannon

    April 21, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    Personally I prefer to keep my kids in school as much as possible and only ever have holidays during school holidays. What I want is for travel agents to not raise their prices during school holidays! This is why parents have to take their children out of school because its cheaper!

  131. Goverment Sucks

    April 22, 2016 at 9:15 am

    Simply cost in my book. I’m in a low paid job and can only afford holidays during term time. So I’ll continue to take my child on holiday the week before the school summer holidays begin.

  132. Monie6

    April 22, 2016 at 11:42 am

    The law wasn’t designed to tackle term time holidays. It was designed to be able to robustly deal with those who neglect their own child’s education because it doesn’t suit their lifestyle it because they can’t be bothered to make them go and/or take them.
    As usual it’s been jumped upon and taken too literally by the cash strapped local authorities who have decided to use it as a money-making scheme. Targeting otherwise law-abiding law following parents because they know they will pay the fine. Meanwhile, feckless parents just won’t pay and will add it to the other unpaid fines they owe.
    It solves nothing and further adds to the gulf that this government is trying to make between teachers and parents. The very fact that people are bickering on here about ‘the teachers’ imposing the fines means that they have won. The less public support teachers and other public sector workers have, the more this government can squeeze from them.
    Let’s focus on our children and work with the schools, not against them, shall we?

  133. Shelly wilson

    April 22, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    I am a single mum of 2 teenagers and they are both doing exams this yr so common sense is I pay extra to take them in school holidays but if this weren’t the case I would take them out to go cheaper I just wouldn’t jeopardise their education to do it they are both bright and attend school all the time unless ill and being in the caring industry I am limited to when I can take time off so if the only available time to go was in term time I am sorry but that’s when I d go.

  134. Keely gee

    April 23, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    Im going away in june my children both have great attendance my older girl has had 1 day of sick on 4 years and my younger one has had 1 day off in 2 years saying that if they had exams or important tests i wouldnt do it we just cant afford the summer holiday prices

  135. Amanda

    April 23, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    The unfortunate thing that many are forgetting is that the reason families have holidays is to enjoy quality time with your family extended or otherwise. It’s so easy for busy working parents to spend that quality time with their children and get caught up in the daily humdrum of working, cleaning, housekeeping, etc that by the time you’ve have finished your daily routine it’s time for bed. Those that work hard cannot necessarily afford to take the family on a 2 week break abroad or at home as its two expensive during the holidays.
    With family time for two weeks somewhere nice, is more important to the the child’s mental development than it is for a child to be kept in school for ten days learning absolutely irrelevant material to their child’s future.
    Someone somewhere needs to realise the child’s mental and physical wellbeing is just as important as their school education.

    • cath

      April 24, 2016 at 2:58 pm

      I totaly agree, the benifit to the child’s mental well being is much more important to me and as has already been metioned the cost of going anywhere either in the UK or abroad is more than twice as expensive and unaffordable to many if us, even though we work hard all year! The goverment needs to put a stop to the rediculas hike in holiday prices during school holidays or allow people to take a weeks holiday during term time when it is affordable. It is very unfare and unethical for the holiday trade to increase their prices so much the day the school holiday starts and to drop them by over half in many cases the day after and before!

  136. Baksas

    April 24, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    I work over 50 hrs a week. Single mum. We and my daughter we need to spend more time together. I need rest and she need time with mum. Holiday together is a msgical time for us. I can not get holidays when I want on term holidays. So why our small family should suffer without holidays together? It is very important to spent time together and keep that bond. Us parents are very busy working. It is not healthy for families but it is not all ways our foulth. My daughter studies well and have good attendance. Why can’t I take my daughter on holidays when I can? It is unfair to families.

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